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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:16:37 -0500
From: Peter Koval
Subject: [CB] Ophicleide and vintage Hofner bass guitarHi, contrabassists,
If anyone is interested in my Halari ophicleide (1850s-1870s) or my Hofner bass
guitar from the early 1960s, please check out ebay, numbers 403999405 and
405552272.
Regards,
Peter Koval---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 23:33:32 -0400
From: "Samuel O. Andreyev, O.P.S."
Subject: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergI've been studying the score for Schoenberg's 5 pieces for orchestra,
and noticed the first of the pieces includes a part for contrabass
clarinet in a. Assuming that this instrument has never existed, does
this part usually remain unplayed, or can it be played on a regular Bb
contrabass? Also, why would Schoenberg have scored for an instrument
that had never been invented?Sam Andreyev
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Merlin Williams"
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:43:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergSimple, he just assumed that since standard clarinets were in Bb and A, and
bass clarinets were in Bb and A (they were much more common in Schoenberg's
time) that contrabass clarinets must be in Bb and A as well.Visit Merlin's Mouthpiece
A member of the Duke Ellington Ring, the Sax Ring, and
the Single Reed Webring.
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Jean Adler"
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 09:56:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergI recently played a Rachmaninoff piece (pardon the spelling) which was
written for bass clarinet in A. I wondered too if there were bass
clarinets and contrabasses in A in Europe. I have yet to see a bass for
sale in the key of A. Not a difficult transposition however. Except the
piece I was playing was also written in bass clef. Very strange indeed.
Jean---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:25:28 -0800
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Baroque Rackett Question
>What is the lowest note of a baroque rackett. Does it have the same range as
>an Alto/Tenor, or is it lower?The lowest note on the baroque rackett is Bb below the bass staff.
Its highest note is the D above middle C. There is a complete
fingering chart in my book.The construction and fingering of the baroque rackett is so utterly
different from the Renaissance type that they are really completely
different instruments. To the extent that the two can be compared,
however, the Baroque rackett is roughly comparable to the second
smallest of the four Renaissance racketts--however one may wish to
designate it.Note, BTW, that because the Baroque inst. is conical and the Ren.
ones cylindrical, the Baroque rackett is twice the size of the
equivalent Renaissance instrument.
--
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Merlin Williams"
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:45:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergWas that Rach Sym #2 - i did that earlier this year. I transposed the A
parts, but read the movement in Bb in bass clef. I also did Pomp and
Circumstance on a proms concert, and the part specified bass clarinet in A.Visit Merlin's Mouthpiece
A member of the Duke Ellington Ring, the Sax Ring, and
the Single Reed Webring.>I recently played a Rachmaninoff piece (pardon the spelling) which was
>written for bass clarinet in A. I wondered too if there were bass
>clarinets and contrabasses in A in Europe. I have yet to see a bass for
>sale in the key of A. Not a difficult transposition however. Except the
>piece I was playing was also written in bass clef. Very strange indeed.
>Jean
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Jean Adler"
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:19:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergI believe it was the Rach 2nd. The other piece I recently did that was odd
was the Strauss Death and Transfiguration where parts of t were in bass
clef.
Jean
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:57:04 +0200
From: "Klaus Bjerre"
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ Schoenberg
----------
>From: "Jean Adler"
> I wondered too if there were bass
> clarinets and contrabasses in A in Europe.
Is there a coincidence between the absence in the non-German speaking
countries of specimens of bass clarinets in A, and their original
applications beeing mostly by German composers.When I had the great fortune to play 4th horn in Mahlers 4th, then the 1st
and 2nd clarinets changed between Bb and A sopranos, while the bass clarinet
played the sections originally written for Bass in A on the Bb instrument
reading from properly transposed note sheets added after the original
edition.My guess is that there has existed German fingered bass clarinets in A at
least in the environments of the great German spoken symphonies around the
last turn of century.Klaus
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 15:32:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Eric Mumpower
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ Schoenberg> My guess is that there has existed German fingered bass clarinets in A at
> least in the environments of the great German spoken symphonies around the
> last turn of century.I'd think you're right; there's support for your theory in Baines, which was
written circa 1950. See my post from July 6:
2000-07-06.html
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:05:27 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Schoenberg
>I recently played a Rachmaninoff piece (pardon the spelling) which was
>written for bass clarinet in A. I wondered too if there were bass
>clarinets and contrabasses in A in Europe. I have yet to see a bass for
>sale in the key of A. Not a difficult transposition however. Except the
>piece I was playing was also written in bass clef. Very strange indeed.
>JeanYes, there were/are bass clarinets in A (I understand that you can
still order them from Selmer, but they aren't generally kept in
stock). AFAIK, there has never been an A contrabass (Bb is rare
enough). The bass clef notation for bass clarinet is the "German"
style, now generally considered obsolete...Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:07:52 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis"
Subject: Re: [CB] [CB[ SchoenbergOn 8/10/00, Eric Mumpower wrote:
>> My guess is that there has existed German fingered bass clarinets in A at
>> least in the environments of the great German spoken symphonies around the
>> last turn of century.My 1936 edition of Andersen's "Practical Orchestration" contains the following footnote on the bass clarinet:
"There were formerly three bass clarinets, tuned in C, A and Bb. That in C sounded one octave lower than notated; that in A, an octave and a minor third lower. The Bb bass clarinet alone remains in use."
Cheers,
Chuck Guzis
Eugene, OR
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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 17:12:33 -0800
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] SchoenbergAt 1:05 PM -0700 8/10/00, Grant Green wrote:
>The bass clef notation for bass clarinet is the "German" style, now
>generally considered obsolete...Not in Germany, it isn't!
--
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
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