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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:04:27 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Intro
>Thanks for the idea. There is an "instruments for sale" place on one of the
>sites. There was a Slemer Mark VI tenor for sale.... (but pretty pricey).
>Just for the heck of it I went looking for new and used in the "band
>instrument" category and ran into new Keilworth bass saxes... but could find
>the price. Probably a good thing I couldn't find the price... I'm depressed
>enough over used horn costs. Joe Sax (or something like that) just had an
>overhauled bass Conn on e-bay that went for $5000.
>
>BillWW&BW has the Keilwerth bass for US$9995 (requires a US$1K down, plus "6-9 month wait"). Music Treasures has a Buescher Tru-Tone bass listed for US$4.5K (look under "Used Brass and Woodwind Instruments").
Enjoy,
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:10:31 -0700
From: "Chuck Guzis"
Subject: Re: [CB] IntroGeorge Borodi (Ohio) advertises a used Criebert bass for $4K:
http://www.borodimusic.com/Inventory.htm
Cheers,
Chuck---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:38:58 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Bass Saxes>George Borodi (Ohio) advertises a used Criebert bass for $4K:
>
>http://www.borodimusic.com/Inventory.htm
>
>Cheers,
>ChuckMy guess is that the horn is a Triebert, the French instrument maker
most noted for developing the modern oboe. The script "T" often
looks more like a capital "C" to those who are unfamiliar with the
mark. If it is a Triebert, it is old enough that you should check
the pitch before seriously considering acquisition: it may have been
built for high pitch, rather than today's A440.Enjoy!
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:38:14 -0800
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Frequency Table>I've finally gotten around to posting a table of frequencies for each
>note (well, Bb-1 up to C5 anyway), along with octave indications
>(e.g., 16'C, 8'C, lowest note on piano, etc.) and instruments for
>which the note is the horn's lowest. The column for highest notes is
>mainly blank so far - a future project...I could send numerous corrections (cbtrb. goes down to G0, CC and BBb
tubas down to F#0, cb. rackett down to Bb whatever) and could fill in
all your top values too--but to do so I would just be looking them
all up in my book and copying the data to you. I recommended my
*Handbook of Instrumentation* to you in a previous e-mail; I now do
so all the more. Most music libraries have it on their reference
shelves. Take a look, really--everything you want to know, just
about, is in there.
--
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:56:23 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] Frequency Table>I could send numerous corrections (cbtrb. goes down to G0, CC and
>BBb tubas down to F#0, cb. rackett down to Bb whatever) and could
>fill in all your top values too--but to do so I would just be
>looking them all up in my book and copying the data to you. I
>recommended my *Handbook of Instrumentation* to you in a previous
>e-mail; I now do so all the more. Most music libraries have it on
>their reference shelves. Take a look, really--everything you want
>to know, just about, is in there.Yes, I am planning to order it...
The CB rackett I have only reaches C1 (see http://www.loraine.com/instruments.html). Perhaps I should distinguish between Renaissance and Baroque rackets (although AFAIK there aren't any Baroque contrabass racketts). Anyone else with rackett experience?
Of necessity, most of the brass ranges (and most of the upper ranges) will be more approximate. I seem to recall a tuba sonata or concerto that is famous for having the lowest written tuba note - something like Bb-1: anyone remember the piece/composer/note?
Thanks,
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo"
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:54:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [CB] Frequency TableAndrew,
> I could send numerous corrections (cbtrb. goes down to G0,
Excuse me?! As a Contrabass Trombonist, I'll take exception to this. I have
a C below this G0. What key of CB Trb are you thinking of? F?, Eb?, D?. Mine
is in BBb.CC and BBb
> tubas down to F#0,And again...Only if reading a BBb tuba in Treble Clef. & only if 3 valves.
Most of us have CC, & BBb tubas with at least 4 valves, some have 5 & 6
valves.cb. rackett down to Bb whatever) and could fill in
> all your top values too--but to do so I would just be looking them
> all up in my book and copying the data to you.Be careful when talking about the high end in Brass. The "top" note is only
limited by the player.Tom
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From: SEMarcus
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:19:14 EDT
Subject: Re: [CB] Frequency TableIn a message dated 6/26/00 6:52:50 PM, gdgreen writes:
<< I seem to recall a tuba sonata or concerto
that is famous for having the lowest written tuba note - something
like Bb-1: anyone remember the piece/composer/note? >>William Kraft's "Encounters II" goes down to C-0 (the C below the low A on
the piano).Kindest regards,
Steve Marcus
BBb Bass, Prairie Brass Band
Director of Sales, THE BEAUTIFUL SOUND, INC. (630) 325-9999
Steinway Piano Dealer
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:09:17 -0800
From: Andrew Stiller
Subject: Re: [CB] Frequency Table>Excuse me?! As a Contrabass Trombonist, I'll take exception to this. I have
>a C below this G0. What key of CB Trb are you thinking of? F?, Eb?, D?. Mine
>is in BBb.BBb. With double-barelled slide and FF trigger. I'll take your word
for it on the C, but I'm uncomfortable with the octave designations
being flung about here, because I've always used Helmholtz. I assume
you're talking about the lowest 32 foot organ C.>CC and BBb
>> tubas down to F#0,
>
>And again...Only if reading a BBb tuba in Treble Clef. & only if 3 valves.
> Most of us have CC, & BBb tubas with at least 4 valves, some have 5 & 6
>valves.My tuba info is from Don Harry, tubist w. the Buffalo Philharmonic.
When questioned he was at first unwilling to admit to any range
restrictions at all in either direction. When I threw out the 2nd
Brandenburg as a test of this theory, he grudgingly agreed that, yes,
there were practical limits that could be designated. He then gave
me the F# below the piano as a *practical* bottom note--regardless of
the number of valves. I don't doubt for a moment that you can hit
the C below that (or whatever), but I know that the G above my F#
gave the tubist of the Philadelphia Orchestra (who I presume must be
one of the finest in the world) considerable trouble when the
orchestra played *Arcana* last spring. And I know too that none of
the bottom Bbs (lowest on the piano) that I wrote in the tuba part of
a recent clar. concerto got played when the Warsaw Phil. recorded the
piece. Similar considerations influenced my choice of G on the
contra trombone. In any event, the outside pitches I was flinging in
my preceding posting were *more* extreme than those now posted at the
Contrabass web site, and are still, I believe, the most extreme
published in any orchestration manual.>Be careful when talking about the high end in Brass. The "top" note is only
>limited by the player.Ditto for WW and strings. In every case it's a matter of
practicality, and in just about every case the practical limit has
been creeping steadily upward for some 2 centuries. In a lot of cases
(horn, vn) there are technological boosts, too, so it's often
difficult to untangle.
--
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Presshttp://www.netcom.com/~kallisti
Ut Sol inter planetas, Ita MUSICA inter Artes liberales in medio radiat.
--Heinrich Schuetz, 1640
---------------------------------------------------------From: Heliconman
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:01:42 EDT
Subject: Re: [CB] Selmer EEb contra-alto bag/case??In a message dated 06/26/2000 7:52:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jeanvaljean writes:
> DEG Music Products makes replacement cases for EVERY instrument, even the
> one-of-a-kind oddball things.I don't know of ANYONE who makes a heicon case, even the one company that
still makes helicons! You think DEG makes one for a heli, huh?! Hmmmmm...***End of Contrabass Digest***
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