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From: UrielsPoet@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:03:36 EDT
Subject: Re: *Really* low frequencies...BBBb Tuba
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comis there any way we could see pictures of "the beast" on the net?
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: *Really* low frequencies...BBBb Tuba
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:24:12 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> is there any way we could see pictures of "the beast" on the net?
Yes.
I've seen it here before. Just open up your browser & search for it
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From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:59:01 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThe other day someone asked about small Tubas. The Above is labelled as
a "Pocket Tuba", in essence, a Soprano. The player is Paul Stephens,
lead Trumpet player behind Maynard Ferguson.Tom
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:05:46 EDT
Subject: BBBb Tuba Pictures
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
In a message dated 09/29/1999 7:04:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
UrielsPoet@aol.com writes:> is there any way we could see pictures of "the beast" on the net?
Lessee, if we're talking about the BBBb Subcontrabass Tuba at Harvard, I just
uploaded 3 pictures to Grant Green and I think they will be appearing on the
contrabass website. I think Grant will send up a flare to the list when they
arrive.
Right, Grant?If you're referring to the EEb Tuba from the Hoffnung Festivals, I will need
to do a web search.
Cheers!
Heliconman@aol.com---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:09:16 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: *Really* low frequencies...BBBb Tuba
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>is there any way we could see pictures of "the beast" on the net?
Yep. Heliconman just forwarded three pictures from his encounter
with tuba mirablis (or was that tuba maximus?). I've uploaded them
to the web, but not yet linked them to pages. You can view them
anyway, at http://www.contrabass.com/pages/BIGTUBA4.JPG,
http://www.contrabass.com/pages/BIGTUBA5.JPG, and
http://www.contrabass.com/pages/BIGTUBA6.JPGEnjoy!
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:33:07 -0400
From: jim and joyce <lande@erols.com>
Subject: no mass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIf you went to ford and offered enough millions, they would retool and
make you a thousand model T's. No question, they would be mass produced, just
as they were in the good old days. Nonetheless, model T's are
considered "rare and unusual". Most likely collectors would disdain
the new ones and pay higher prices for the old ones, even though to new
ones could be made to far better tolerances.. On the other hand,
smallpox is 'rare and unusual' today, but most folks don't go looking
for it. Why are we discussing this?Oh, and how appropriate for a guy named "Searing" to talk about cooking steak.
jim
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From: SEMarcus@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:22:33 EDT
Subject: Re: BBBb Tuba Pictures
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 9/29/99 7:06:28 PM, Heliconman@aol.com writes:
<<If you're referring to the EEb Tuba from the Hoffnung Festivals, I will
need to do a web search.>>Check out http://www.harrogate.co.uk/harrogate-band/humour.htm.
Kindest regards,
Steve Marcus
BBb Bass, Prairie Brass Band
Director of Sales, THE BEAUTIFUL SOUND, INC. (630) 325-9999 (Steinway Piano Dealer)
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Chip Owen" <cowen@whitleynet.org>
Subject: Re: [Contra digest]
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:32:47 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comNow that a rather strange concept of mass production has been explained the
idea of mass produced Heckelphones has a basis. However that concept
certainly does not come from someone who has any background in industry,
manufacturing or economics.It seems that if you want an item, and can get the item from a maker of that
item, then that item is a mass produced item. The method of manufacture has
nothing to do with the definition. Curious concept.Chip Owen
Columbia City, IN
cowen@whitleynet.org
> Allow me please, to clarify what "mass-produced"
> means (to me.) I admit I should have used a different
> word. What I mean is that Heckel is capable of making
> Heckelphones, and they make them, even if only several
> are produced per year. And that if you wanted one from
> Heckel, there is a way to get one. No, it's certainly
> not easy, but it is possible. Besides, what's "Mass"
> mean to you? Mass is always relative to how many of an
> object are there to begin with. There is no set
> defenition of "mass-produced." You could say "mass
> produced means that they make lots of them" but, then
> I'd ask you, "what's 'lots?' If you start with 114,
> then making 3 or four a year is lots. If there are
> already 1,000,000 Heckelphones, then making 1,000 is
> "lots."
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From: "Chip Owen" <cowen@whitleynet.org>
Subject: Re: [Contra digest]
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:39:00 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI have seen a Heckelphone by Mollenhauer. This is the only example I have
seen of a non-Heckel Heckelphone. Of course, since Mollenhauer can make a
Heckelphone, and presumeably you can get one from them, then obviously they
mass-produce them.By they say Stu, check your spelling of Heckel.
Chip Owen
Columbia City, IN
cowen@whitleynet.org> From: CoolStu67@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:14:15 EDT
> Subject: Hecklephones... or Buffetaphones, Yamahaphones, Yanagisawaphones,
> Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
> Speaking of Hecklephones, has any company other than Heckle ever copied this
> instrument and making a whole lot of them? Adolphe Sax passed his patented
> instrument to Henri Selmer, and Selmer isn't the only SAXophone company in
> the world, so why no Yamaha or Buffet HECKLEphones?
>
> Stuart
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From: "Chip Owen" <cowen@whitleynet.org>
Subject: Re: [Contra digest]
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:53:00 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAdam, you're demonstrating that you don't understand your topic.
Heckel would not have to accept your order. They might but I wouldn't
expect that to happen. If they did it would be on their terms. They will
not rush their method of instrument making just to satisfy your fantasy.It would not be in their best interest to accept your order. To follow your
mass production concept, it would cheapen the value of the instrument to do
so. It would be like Rolls Royce producing so many cars that their
multitude of dealers are competing with Chevrolet. If we could get mass
produced "original" Mona Lisas they would be seen in garage salels. Heckel
has a history that justifies their protecting their reputation for quality.
They don't need to subvert their reputation.Chip Owen
Columbia City, IN
cowen@whitleynet.org> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: musical interests
> Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
>
>
> Yes, but what if I called up Heckel and said I would
> pay them a million dollars to make me one thousand
> heckelphones. They'd have to do it. And then they'd be
> mass-producing, now wouldn't they?
>
> -Adam
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:37:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: The world's largest tuba is NOT the one you guys are talking about
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHey guys…
The largest tuba in the world is in BBBBb. It is
about nine feet tall, and was built specially by Sousa
for the Sousa band. It now languishes in the
collection of a circus promoter in South Africa; God
knows how he managed to get hold of it.It is, FYI, NOT this tuba you're talking about at
Harvard. By the way, is that a stand up of Bill
Clinton next to him with the saxophone? I saw one just
like it at a store somewhere and it looked like it was
Bill. If it is, there's an error: BILL CLINTON PLAYS
TENOR NOT ALTO.=====
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---------------------------------------------------------From: BJacobs571@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:53:17 EDT
Subject: Re: no mass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comThis topic is getting silly!.
If there are only 120 of anything in the
world they are rare. even if hekle worked flat out and produced 20 a year for
the next 50 years they would be still be rare. What I think the orginator of
this topic was thinking of is that Heklephones are not collector items
because they are still made. This I think is a fair comment as if something
is still produced you can go and buy one but if you were to go to every sale
and auction for the next 100 years you would not find the Mona Lisa for sale
This makes the Mona Lisa a colectors item. My Motorcycle is rare because
there are only 170 of them in England but it was still mass produced and
there are thousands of them in the world. I think he should be enough of a
man to admit he didn't express himself clearly enough in the first place and
not try to justify a untenable position.
Mass production intails producing jigs and fixures that enable you to
produce items which are near as dammit identical ( so therefore
interchangable) in large numbers. The probable cost of tooling up to mass
produce heklephones is in the reigon of $1,000,000. ( I work in the research
and Development department in a manufacturing company and I discussed this
with the Engineer who is responciable for the tooling for our products.) In
order to justify this cost you would have to make at least 10,000 of them a
year to recoup your investment. Since someone said that they had seen more
than one heklephone and they were not the same they are oviously hand made.
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:03:57 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: The world's largest tuba is NOT the one you guys are talking
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> It is, FYI, NOT this tuba you're talking about at
>Harvard. By the way, is that a stand up of Bill
>Clinton next to him with the saxophone? I saw one just
>like it at a store somewhere and it looked like it was
>Bill. If it is, there's an error: BILL CLINTON PLAYS
>TENOR NOT ALTO.It looks to me like the standup is Elvis, with Bill Clinton's face
pasted on. I suspect it was used in a skit or show by the band at
some point, and accuracy wasn't essential. As for whether he plays
alto or tenor, see http://www.nuclearwhales.com/billplay.htm ;-)Grant
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http://www.contrabass.com
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:37:14 EDT
Subject: Re: [Contra digest]
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com<<
By they say Stu, check your spelling of Heckel.
>>Yeah, it took me awhile to figure out the real spelling. Recently, I've
explored their website and discovered the correct spelling.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:42:07 EDT
Subject: Re: no mass
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comWell thank God! Somebody with actually field experience!
Thanks, BJacobs571@aol
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