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From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:19:00 EDT
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com<<
Allow me please, to clarify what "mass-produced"
means (to me.) I admit I should have used a different
word. What I mean is that Heckel is capable of making
Heckelphones, and they make them, even if only several
are produced per year. And that if you wanted one from
Heckel, there is a way to get one. No, it's certainly
not easy, but it is possible. Besides, what's "Mass"
mean to you? Mass is always relative to how many of an
object are there to begin with. There is no set
defenition of "mass-produced." You could say "mass
produced means that they make lots of them" but, then
I'd ask you, "what's 'lots?' If you start with 114,
then making 3 or four a year is lots. If there are
already 1,000,000 Heckelphones, then making 1,000 is
"lots."
>>
Mass production cannot be defined literally. In manufacturing (educated
guess), an object that is mass produced means it is put through an assembly
line and making more than one at once. If there is only 3 or 4 a year, then
there would be no reason on this Earth to create an assembly line. Most
likely it is made by hand, and that, Gregg, is called being made to order.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Harry Searing" <hsearing@home.com>
Subject: Hecklephone semantics
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:59:37 -0400
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comSince they are all expertly hand made, if a Hecklephone were a steak, it
couldn't possibly be considered 'rare' as it is 'well done.'(sorry.)
Harry Searing
(still looking for that Hecklephone in a pawn shop for $75! Grant. Find any
yourself yet?)
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From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:14:15 EDT
Subject: Hecklephones... or Buffetaphones, Yamahaphones, Yanagisawaphones,
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comSpeaking of Hecklephones, has any company other than Heckle ever copied this
instrument and making a whole lot of them? Adolphe Sax passed his patented
instrument to Henri Selmer, and Selmer isn't the only SAXophone company in
the world, so why no Yamaha or Buffet HECKLEphones?Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:45:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hecklephones... or Buffetaphones, Yamahaphones, Yanagisawaphones, etc
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comHmmmmmm....
Well, I don't THINK so. However, I saw a picture of
the early Sax advertisement which displayed "Sax"
surrounded by an elaborate display of all the other
instruments that Sax produced. Among them were
bassoons, clarinets, trombones, oboes, saxhorns,
ophicleides, and I think I saw what looked like a
Heckelphone. I know for a fact that the "Conn-O-Sax"
was modelled after the orchestral Heckelphone.By the way, I think the key to the Heckelphone's loss
of popularity is its name. "Saxophone" has a nice ring
too0 it (although in elementary school bands there is
much teasing of the saxophone players by other
students, because children will take the opporitunity
to mock anything sounding remotely like "sex.")
But HECKELPHONE??? What an awful-sounding name to the
untrained tongue. "HAHAHAHAHA you play the
Heckelphone, you loser" would be a resounding comment
should the Heckelphone ever reach the level of
popularity that the Sax did.
--- CoolStu67@aol.com wrote:
> Speaking of Hecklephones, has any company other than
> Heckle ever copied this
> instrument and making a whole lot of them? Adolphe
> Sax passed his patented
> instrument to Henri Selmer, and Selmer isn't the
> only SAXophone company in
> the world, so why no Yamaha or Buffet HECKLEphones?
>
> Stuart
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:47:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Yes, but what if I called up Heckel and said I would
pay them a million dollars to make me one thousand
heckelphones. They'd have to do it. And then they'd be
mass-producing, now wouldn't they?-Adam
--- CoolStu67@aol.com wrote:
> <<
> Allow me please, to clarify what "mass-produced"
> means (to me.) I admit I should have used a different
> word. What I mean is that Heckel is capable of making
> Heckelphones, and they make them, even if only several
> are produced per year. And that if you wanted one from
> Heckel, there is a way to get one. No, it's certainly
> not easy, but it is possible. Besides, what's "Mass"
> mean to you? Mass is always relative to how many of an
> object are there to begin with. There is no set
> defenition of "mass-produced." You could say "mass
> produced means that they make lots of them" but, then
> I'd ask you, "what's 'lots?' If you start with 114,
> then making 3 or four a year is lots. If there are
> already 1,000,000 Heckelphones, then making 1,000 is
> "lots."
> >>
>
> Mass production cannot be defined literally. In manufacturing (educated
> guess), an object that is mass produced means it is put through an assembly
> line and making more than one at once. If there is only 3 or 4 a year, then
> there would be no reason on this Earth to create an assembly line. Most
> likely it is made by hand, and that, Gregg, is called being made to order.
>
> Stuart
> ----------------------
> end contrabass list
>
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:44:42 EDT
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com<<
Yes, but what if I called up Heckel and said I would
pay them a million dollars to make me one thousand
heckelphones. They'd have to do it. And then they'd be
mass-producing, now wouldn't they?
>>If, if, if, if... if ain't reality. The Hecklephone is rare. Even if there
was a thousand Hecklephones in the world, it wouldn't be exactly common.
Five-billion people versus one thousand Hecklephones. How many saxophones and
clarinets do you think exist on this earth combined? Millions. How many
Hecklephones have been made (not how many are still alive, but have been
made)? About 130. One hundred-thirty. ONE HUNDRED-THIRTY.Tell me that's common.
Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: musical interests
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:29:42 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comAdam,
: Re: musical interests> Yes, but what if I called up Heckel and said I would
> pay them a million dollars to make me one thousand
> heckelphones. They'd have to do it.Nope. No one ever HAS to do anything. And if their integrity is on the line
for making only a few, why compromise?
And then they'd be
> mass-producing, now wouldn't they?I don't think Heckle would make that many for only $1,000 apiece. I know I wouldn't.
Tom
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From: LeliaLoban@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:29:10 EDT
Subject: Re: *Really* low frequencies...
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comGrant Green writes,
>There is an article in the September 11, 1999 issue of New Scientist about
very low frequencies found in planetary resonances. Apparently, the Earth
itself resonates at a number of pitches ranging from 2 to 7 mHz (i.e., 0.002
to 0.007 Hz), 16 octaves below middle C according to the article
(http://www.newscientist.com:80/ns/19990911/theplanett.html)....>What a fascinating article! Thank you for the link to material that will
add, uh, new resonance to Passacaglia and Fugue. I passed along the link
to a friend who's a musician, a psychiatrist-turned-shaman and a teacher of
shamanism and will be interested in seeing where she goes with the idea of
Earth as literal Planet Drum....Lelia
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:43:21 -0500
From: John Howell <John.Howell@vt.edu>
Subject: Cornett & mass production
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> Someone once told me that the cornet is cylindrical. It's not, is it?
> -GreggIf you mean the Renaissance cornett, cornetto, or zinck, then no, it has a
tapered conical bore.If you mean the modern cornet-a-pistons, again, no. The distinction I
learned as a kid between the cornet and the trumpet was that the cornet was
1/3 cylindrical, 2/3 conical, while the trumpet was 2/3 cylindrical and 1/3
conical. Bear in mind that once you get beyond the garden hose, there IS
no brass instrument that is completely cylindrical. There is always a
bell, and there is always a bore expansion leading to the bell. Stick a
funnel in the end of the garden hose and even it is no longer completely
cylindrical. So you can only really talk about the percentages of a bore
that are cylindrical and conical.To the other writer, on mass production: as the term is usually used, it
refers to a final product that is assembled from interchangeable parts, as
opposed to a final product that has each part custom fitted. Henry Ford
pioneered the assembly line concept, which made "mass production" in the
sense of many units produced per manhour of work possible. The actual
number of units produced is irrelevant.Back in the 60s I visited the Conn and Selmer factories in Elkhart,
Indiana. Conn instruments were completely assembled from interchangeable
parts, and they were very proud of the precise tooling that allowed them to
do that. Selmer woodwinds were assembled in Indiana from parts imported
from France, and during the final assembly each key, supposedly mass
produced, got a final fitting and adjustment to make it work properly on
that specific instrument. I'd call that "semi-"mass produced, and the
amount of hand work involved explains both the difference in price and the
difference in a professional's choice of instrument.John
John & Susie Howell
Virginia Tech Department of Music
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034
(mailto:John.Howell@vt.edu)
http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:32:03 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: Hecklephones... or Buffetaphones, Yamahaphones,
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Speaking of Hecklephones, has any company other than Heckle ever copied this
>instrument and making a whole lot of them? Adolphe Sax passed his patented
>instrument to Henri Selmer, and Selmer isn't the only SAXophone company in
>the world, so why no Yamaha or Buffet HECKLEphones?Well, if Heckel has only made 115 in the course of 95 years, the big
manufacturers probably don't see this as a great market to get into...Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:56:43 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Yes, but what if I called up Heckel and said I would
>pay them a million dollars to make me one thousand
>heckelphones. They'd have to do it. And then they'd be
>mass-producing, now wouldn't they?
>
>-AdamActually, 1,000 heckelphones would cost you $28 million: US$1 mil
would only get you about 35 heckelphones. For an order like that, it
*might* be worthwhile for them to tool up and mass produce. Or, they
might fill your order 10-20 instruments per year... It is certainly
up to Heckel to decide how many they'll make, and in what manner.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:36:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Valved Woodwinds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Plenty of keyed brass instruments are or were made
(keyed trumpet, keyed bugle, ophicleide, cornett,
serpent, etc.) but nobody has ever thought of making
a valved woodwind instrument. My Fox Silver Star #2 on
my Conn trombone makes a pretty cool sound.
("tromboon") Why don't they pioneer that concept and
produce a whole line of valved woodwinds?-Adam
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:40:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Valved Woodwinds
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Whoops... hit Send Now too soon.<<
Plenty of keyed brass instruments are or were made
(keyed trumpet, keyed bugle, ophicleide, cornett,
serpent, etc.) but nobody has ever thought of making
a valved woodwind instrument. My Fox Silver Star #2 on
my Conn trombone makes a pretty cool sound.
("tromboon") Why don't they pioneer that concept and
produce a whole line of valved woodwinds?
>>The slide soprano sax is kind of what you're talking about, the mouthpiece on
a trombone. Other than that probably because the woodwind mouthpiece isn't as
versitle as a brass mp (meaning you can't change notes as easily).
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