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From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:27:27 EDT
Subject: Re:
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com<<
pick a real bass instument like tuba or string basss, or even SAX!!!!!
>>A trombone not a real bass instrument? Try listening to a balsy bass
trombonist belt out some notes, you'll be impressed.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: lawrencejohns@webtv.net (lawrence johns)
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Re:musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
I'd just like to say to that guy who has an extreme addiction to trombones, too
play somthing else
Please, I mean come on now trombones=BF? :(pick a real bass instument like tuba or string basss, or even SAX!!!!!
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From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Re:musical interests
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:29:53 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
Hi Larry & all,> We should welcome everyone regardless of instrument. You never know when
> you may have to turn to someone who is an authority on trombones and get
> the right definite answer. Would you say to me to change horns if i was
> a collector of only c melody saxes or English horns? Tom Izzo if you
> want to collect 2 million trombones go right ahead-everyone's interests
> is fine with me and show respect to all here-ok?hahahahahah Well, fortunately, I don't think I'll collect that many. There
is a limit after all. Tho my collection has no two exactly the same. All are
different bores, keys, bell sizes, finishes, etc. And I have uses for them
all professionally, further justifying their existence, Technically my
detractor is correct, the Bass Trombone is not a Contrabass instrument, but
neither is the Bass Sax, Bass Clarinet, Bass Krumhorn, Bass Harmonica, etc.
But the compendium lists Bass & Contra Clarinets, Bass & Contrabass Saxes,
Bass & Contrabass Trombones & even Bass & Contrabass Trumpets as fair game
on this list.
The Tubas are also in my "arsenal" as a freelancer (both Tenor & Bass
models). It's too bad, tho, that my criticizer wouldn't sign his name.Tom
Tom Izzo, director
The BASSics (Bass Trombone Quartet)
and othershttp://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/
> Larriman
>
> -Lawrence "Larry" E. Johns-
>
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comTo all interested parties:
I'd like to take this time to point out that the
Heckelphone, which is on this list, is not a
contrabass instrument at all. Actually it is
approximately the range of a Tenor Sax. If the
Heckelphone is on this list, then we mus be prepared
to face the fact that the Heckelphone's being on this
list sets the criteria for "Contrabass" as A on the
bass staff or lower. So then a bassoon, trombone,
baritone sax, bass saxophone, euphonium, tuba, and
even a French horn would be "Contrabass" instruments!!-Adam
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:58:51 EDT
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
<<
I'd like to take this time to point out that the
Heckelphone, which is on this list, is not a
contrabass instrument at all. Actually it is
approximately the range of a Tenor Sax. If the
Heckelphone is on this list, then we mus be prepared
to face the fact that the Heckelphone's being on this
list sets the criteria for "Contrabass" as A on the
bass staff or lower. So then a bassoon, trombone,
baritone sax, bass saxophone, euphonium, tuba, and
even a French horn would be "Contrabass" instruments!!
>>Seems to me that you're trying to be too formal for this list. It's pretty
obvious to me that although we focus our attention to contrabass instruments,
nobody minds a discussion on other rare instruments, such as the Hecklephone
or piccolo trombone! Be more open, and get away from the limits specific
criteria would put on our topics.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: musical interests
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comStu...
Yeah, I do see where you're coming from. But the
Heckelphone is not "rare." If rare is defined by "few
people own one" then yes, it is rare. But it is still
mass-produced by Heckel, and if somebody makes
something, and you have the money to buy it, then that
thing is not rare.
> Seems to me that you're trying to be too formal for
> this list. It's pretty
> obvious to me that although we focus our attention
> to contrabass instruments,
> nobody minds a discussion on other rare instruments,
> such as the Hecklephone
> or piccolo trombone! Be more open, and get away from
> the limits specific
> criteria would put on our topics.
>
> Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Gregg Bailey" <greggbailey@hotmail.com>
Subject: "contrabass" definition?
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:19:44 CDT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>I'd like to take this time to point out that the
>Heckelphone, which is on this list, is not a
>contrabass instrument at all. Actually it is
>approximately the range of a Tenor Sax.I like to associate wind instrument pitches to organ stop pitches. I don't
know about y'all, but I've always thought of the alto sax and the bass
oboe/heckelphone as being 4' instruments, and the tenor sax as being a 5
1/3'. So, if the bass oboe/heckelphone qualifies for the list, then all
instruments of 4' pitch would be, too. These would include the Bb clarinet,
viola, and trumpet!! And don't forget the alto sax!! Actually, if you go
with anything that has "bass" in its name, then the bass recorder would
qualify, which is basically a 2 2/3' instrument. 2 2/3' instuments include
the violin, Eb clarinet, soprano sax, english horn, and alto flute!! I'm
just curious--did y'all realize that the bass recorder and eb sopranino
clarinet are of the same pitch?!?!?
I don't understand the big discrepancy. I've always understood that 4' C
is tenor C, 8' C is bass C, 16' C is contrabass C, and 32' C is
subcontrabass C. Yet the names of various wind instruments do not
acknowledge this in the least. Most notably are the recorder and marimba
bar families. The "bass" recorder is 1 1/2 octaves above what is actually
bass. The marimba bars that are of 8' (bass) pitch are called subcontrabass
bars. What's the deal???
-Gregg
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---------------------------------------------------------From: CoolStu67@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:32:26 EDT
Subject: Re: "contrabass" definition?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
<<
I like to associate wind instrument pitches to organ stop pitches. I don't
know about y'all, but I've always thought of the alto sax and the bass
oboe/heckelphone as being 4' instruments, and the tenor sax as being a 5
1/3'. So, if the bass oboe/heckelphone qualifies for the list, then all
instruments of 4' pitch would be, too. These would include the Bb clarinet,
viola, and trumpet!! And don't forget the alto sax!! Actually, if you go
with anything that has "bass" in its name, then the bass recorder would
qualify, which is basically a 2 2/3' instrument. 2 2/3' instuments include
the violin, Eb clarinet, soprano sax, english horn, and alto flute!! I'm
just curious--did y'all realize that the bass recorder and eb sopranino
clarinet are of the same pitch?!?!?
I don't understand the big discrepancy. I've always understood that 4' C
is tenor C, 8' C is bass C, 16' C is contrabass C, and 32' C is
subcontrabass C. Yet the names of various wind instruments do not
acknowledge this in the least. Most notably are the recorder and marimba
bar families. The "bass" recorder is 1 1/2 octaves above what is actually
bass. The marimba bars that are of 8' (bass) pitch are called subcontrabass
bars. What's the deal???
>>The problem is that you're thinking of the organ's bass and the organ's
treble. Bass and contrabass doesn't have to mean bass as in tuba or
contrabass as in the organ's pedals, it just means bass or contrabass to the
previous size. For instance, the bass clarinet doesn't provide deep bass for
a symphonic band, but it provides bass to the clarinet section. The bass
recorder provides bass for a recorder ensemble, but definitely not to a tenor
trombone. Think of Einstien's Theory of Relativity; everything is relative.Stuart
---------------------------------------------------------From: "Gregg Bailey" <greggbailey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pommer and bombardon
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:34:05 CDT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comLelia Loban, Timothy Tikker, or anyone, help me out!!!!!
Why is the organ's "Pommer" or "Gedacktpommer" stop nothing like the true
pommer instrument??? According to you list people, the pommer is a low
shawm, which is a reed instrument. Yet the organ stop is not a reed rank.
It's just a stopped flue rank.
And, like I said, a German foreign exchange student told me that "pommer"
translates into English as being some sort of device between 2 train cars
that keeps them from colliding into one another. What does this have to do
with shawms or stopped flutes???> A bombarde is what the bassoon used to be before some person decided
>that it'd be less cumbersome folded up, which he did, and that became
>the modern bassoon.
> THIS IS NOT the same as Bombardon, which is defined as the tuba
>between bass and contrabass sizes.A bass tuba is the euphonium and the contrabass tuba is the standard tuba,
right???? Aren't these all saxhorns??? So, the EEb tuba is the bombardon??
I'm confused.
You "bombard" something with projectiles; did this term come from the war
canon, as well?
Why would the pipe organ's Doucaine stop be cylindrical like a clarinet,
rather than conical like the actual "Dulzian" instrument? After all, isn't
"Doucaine" the French corruption of Dulzian? How do the Bombarde, Dulzian,
Sarrusophone, and Bassoon all fit into the low double reed instrument
development story? All these early instruments confuse me!
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Gregg Bailey" <greggbailey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pitch names
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:46:16 CDT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comStuart,
>the bass clarinet doesn't provide deep bass for
>a symphonic band, but it provides bass to the clarinet section. The bass
>recorder provides bass for a recorder ensemble, but definitely not to a tenor
>trombone. Think of Einstien's Theory of Relativity; everything is relative.You are correct and have a very good point. However, what I'm trying to
point out is that the notes themselves that the instruments produce have a
definite highness or lowness. 16 to 32 Hertz is the subcontrabass octave;
32 to 64 Hertz is the contrabass octave; 64 Hertz to 128 Hertz is the bass
octave (Yes, the bass clarinet and "bass"oon do fit this definition); 128 Hz
to 256 Hz is the tenor octave, etc... I just feel that it's alot easier to
say the 32' octave, 16' octave, 8', 4', and so on. Yes, a particular
instrument has a certain musical function within its own family as a chamber
ensemble, but the frequencies of the notes themselves is what I'm getting
at. I hope you understand my point.
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Pommer and bombardon
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:52:03 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> > A bombarde is what the bassoon used to be before some person decided
> >that it'd be less cumbersome folded up, which he did, and that became
> >the modern bassoon.
> > THIS IS NOT the same as Bombardon, which is defined as the tuba
> >between bass and contrabass sizes.
>
> A bass tuba is the euphonium and the contrabass tuba is the standard tuba,
> right????No, the closest Tuba to a Euphonium is the Tenor Tuba. These are techically
not the same, tho are usually used interchangeably, just as Baritone Horns &
Euphonia are used interchangeably in the American Wind Band. British style
Brass Bands, do make a distinction.Aren't these all saxhorns???
No. The Baritone Horn, American Tenor Horn (in Bb or C), British Tenor
Horn/American Alto Horn in Eb & one time in F, & D, Bass Horns, Cornets (in
Eb, C, Bb, & A, etc), are from the Saxhorn group.
The Tubas are more closely associated with the Horn family (Posthorn,
Flugelhorn, Descant Horn, Natural Horn, So called "French" Horn, Wagner Tuba
(really a Horn), Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Baritone, Bass & Contrabass Tubas.
The Euphonium's ancestry is a bit clouded. It's a cross between the two
families.
The Sousaphone, tho thought of as a Tuba is a member of the Saxhorn family.
Sousaphones are usually in BBb, tho have also been in Bb (Tenor) & Eb
(Baritone-but called Bass).One company, DEG Music Products, even made some Alto Sousaphones in the 70's
& 80's. Sort of an Alto Horn (in Eb) but built in the shape of the Bass
Sousaphone, albeit only about 14" tall.So, the EEb tuba is the bombardon??
> I'm confused.Technically the EEb Tuba, is really just an Eb Tuba. When the double letter
was added, is a mystery.Tom
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From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: "contrabass" definition?
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 01:03:31 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com> with anything that has "bass" in its name, then the bass recorder would
> qualify, which is basically a 2 2/3' instrument. 2 2/3' instuments include
> acknowledge this in the least. Most notably are the recorder and marimba
> bar families.You can include the Clarinet & Trumpet families as well. There is no
so-designated "Tenor" Clarinet. After Alto, there is Bass, Below the Bass is
the Eb ContraAlto, then the Bb or BBb Contrabass. And the one-of-a-kind
"OctContraBass" in EEb.
In the Trumpet family (Trombones, too). The Tenor Trumpet was once what we
now call the Bass Trumpet (in both Bb & C models). The True Bass Trumpet was
formerly pitched in F, which is now called the Contrabass Trumpet. There is
no longer a "Tenor" Trumpet.
The Original Bass Trombones were pitched in G (Great Britain), F (most of
the world), Eb (German "Quintposaune"), & D (France). The Contras were
pitched in CC, BBb, & AA. When the Bass Trombones were brought up to the
Tenor pitch of Bb (w/valve(s) change/changes to various keys, these true
Bassi were then referred to as Contras. So a BBb/FF Contrabass today, would
be almost a "Sub Contra".Regarding the Organ Diapasons, Your "Bass Flute" stop, plays 2 octaves below
what the real; thing is capable of. The Bass Flute's lowest note is C one
octave below middle C or 2nd space Bass Clef.
Tom>
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From: "Gregg Bailey" <greggbailey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Saxhorns vs. Horns???
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:14:53 CDT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comTom and list,
>the closest Tuba to a Euphonium is the Tenor Tuba. These are techically
>not the same,What's the difference? I always thought that the euphonium was an octave
tuba. What's a bass horn? If Adolphe Sax was such a contrabass maniac, why
didn't he make monster saxhorns??
What group is the mellophone from and the trumpet from? What's the
difference between a mellphone and a flugelhorn?
Here's one that I want SOMEBODY to explain: What is the difference between
a trumpet and a cornet???
Also, has a cylindrical brass instrument ever been made??
As for tubas, doesn't the word "tuba" allude to something that is big? If
so, how can a soprano tuba be called a tuba?
Are there any tuba ensembles that utilize the whole family of tubas?? My
Tuba Romp (sextet) CD sounds so neat, but they don't utilize the highest
tubas.
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Gregg Bailey" <greggbailey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Organ vs. Orchestral
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:37:45 CDT
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>There is no so-designated "Tenor" Clarinet.
Let's see. The Bb clarinet should be called tenor clarinet, the alto
clarinet should be called baritone clarinet, the bass clarinet is fine, the
contra alto clarinet should be called the contra-baritone clarinet, and the
contrabass clarinet is fine. The alto sax should be called tenor sax, the
tenor sax should be called baritone sax, the baritone sax should be called
bass sax, the bass sax should be called contra-baritone sax, and the
contrabass sax is fine. The bass flute should be called tenor flute, the
contrabass flute should be called bass flute, and the subcontrabass flute
should be called contrabass flute. The bass oboe should be called tenor
oboe. The bassoon is fine. The great bass recorder should be called tenor
recorder, and the subcontrabass recorder should be called bass recorder.
Like I said, the Eb sopranino clarinet and the bass recorder are of the same
pitch! ;>
See, "baritone" is really the high end of the bass octave.>Regarding the Organ Diapasons, Your "Bass Flute" stop, plays 2 octaves below
>what the real; thing is capable of. The Bass Flute's lowest note is C one
>octave below middle C or 2nd space Bass Clef.Here's the deal. 8' pitch is standard unison pitch. Therefore, all stops
that imitate a family of orchestral instruments are going to be at 8' pitch,
regardless of what the pitch of the actual instrument is, and the name of
the stop is going to be that of the principal instrument of the family.
Thus, a flute is really a 2' instrument, but the "Harmonic Flute or
Transverse Flute" is an 8' on the organ. A clarinet is a 4' instrument, but
it's an 8' on the organ. To really drive the point home, the
"Basson-Hautbois" stop is an 8' stop. All it's saying is that the
Basson-Hautbois rank imitates the conical double reed family between 8' C
and 1/4' C. The Transverse Flute stop imitates the flute family between 8'
C and 1/4' C.
The Bass Flute stop is still an 8' stop. The reason that it's called "Bass
Flute" is because it is found in the Pedal division as a large-scaled flute
stop. Just the same as the 8' Trumpet stop compared to the larger scaled 8'
Tuba stop. Same pitch, just bigger scale, or "bore" if you will.
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---------------------------------------------------------From: "Tom Izzo" <jeanvaljean@ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Saxhorns vs. Horns???
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 02:09:53 -0500
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comGreg,
>
> Tom and list,
>
> >the closest Tuba to a Euphonium is the Tenor Tuba. These are techically
> >not the same,
>
> What's the difference?Basically bore size.
I always thought that the euphonium was an octave
> tuba.Octave above the Bass Tuba.
What's a bass horn? If Adolphe Sax was such a contrabass maniac, why
> didn't he make monster saxhorns??He did, tho most haven't survived.
> What group is the mellophone from and the trumpet from?
Mellophone is acderivitive of the Cornet/Saxhorn family.
What's the
> difference between a mellphone and a flugelhorn?Mellophones are available in Eb & F keys.
Flugelhorns are made in Eb (Sopranino & Altos), & Bb (Sopranos) & at one
time also in C. & Experimental "Bass" Flugels in octave Bb.
Mellophones are sometimes called a "Poor Man's 'French' Horn".
Mellophones are MOSTLY piston valved & usually 3 valves, played with the
right hand. As opposed to the Orchestral Horn which is most often Rotory
valved with the valves in the left hand. Orchestral Horns are made in
Bb, Bb/A, F, F/Bb, Bb/F/Bb & even with stopped valves in 3, 4, 5 or 6 valves.
Before the invention of valves, Horns (& Trumpets) were available in C, B,
Bb, A, G, F, E, Eb, & D). So0me of these variations esp in the Trumpets, are
still in use today.
> Here's one that I want SOMEBODY to explain: What is the difference between
> a trumpet and a cornet???Modern terms: (in very basic definitions)
A Trumpet is 1/3 Conical, 2/3 Cylindrical.
A Flugelhorn is 1/3 Cylindrical, 2/3 Conical.
The modern Cornet is 1/2 Cylindrical & 1/2 Conical (A mid point to the
Trumpet & Flugel).
All have the same theoretical range.
A Bass Trumpet or Tenor Trombone is ROUGHLY a "Soprano" Trumpet or Trombone,
down an octave (for all Bb instruments of course)
A Baritone Horn, or Bass Cornet in Bb is a Bb Cornet down an octave
A Euphonium is a Flugelhorn down an octave.
These are very simplified definitions. The real deff's are much more
complicated.> Also, has a cylindrical brass instrument ever been made??
Yes. The TRUE Slide Trumpet was 95% Cylindrical. The BELL slid, not a hand
slide.> As for tubas, doesn't the word "tuba" allude to something that is big?
Allude? Or Translate?
In ancient Rome, the instrument called a Tuba was what today we'd call a
Natural Trumpet (Trumpet w/o valves).If
> so, how can a soprano tuba be called a tuba?Where does it say Tubas have to be Bass?
The definition of "Trombone" is "Large Trumpet". But that's not true either.
I have four Trombones smaller than one of my Trumpets. The first "namer"
incorrectly labelled an "ENlarging" Trumpet, as a Large Trumpet.> Are there any tuba ensembles that utilize the whole family of tubas?? My
> Tuba Romp (sextet) CD sounds so neat, but they don't utilize the highest
> tubas.Soprano Tubas are no longer made except on custom order, The Closest
relative to the Soprano Tuba is the Flugelhorn.
>
Tuba Christmas in some cities use Alto thru Contrabass Tubas plus Ophicliede
(Tuba predecessor).
Moravian Trombone Choirs use Sopranino through Contrabass Trombones. My
Trombone Choir uses Piccolo through Contrabass Trombones (shameless plug)
:-).Not all Clarinet Choirs use the whole family either, or Sax Choirs for that
matter. It really all depends on what parts are written. (or Flute, or
Double Reed, or Horn, etc)
Tom
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:28:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Dafydd y garreg wen <mavnw@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Subject: EEb Tuba
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comTom Izzo wrote:
>When the double letter was added, is a mystery.
I always understood that it signified the largest bell size
(19") as made by Boosey&Hawkes here in England. This would have come into
use circa 1970 then, when they first started making the 'Sovereign' model.
Obviously it aids the player with low notes and in general, sounding like
a larger instrument, giving a sort of justification for the adding of the
extra letter. Why you use it in America, where (I think) that these tubas
aren't so popular, I don't know.Dave Taylor
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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:22:21 +0100 (BST)
From: A Myers <ezhm01@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: EEb Tuba
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comDave Taylor wrote:
> >When the double letter was added, is a mystery.
>
> I always understood that it signified the largest bell size
> (19") as made by Boosey&Hawkes here in England. This would have come into
> use circa 1970 ...This convention goes right back to the 19th century. An EEb bass has
had a larger bore than an Eb bass, and often four valves rather than
three.Originally a BBb bass was a "monster bombardon" in 18-ft Bb as opposed
to a bass saxhorn (euphonium) in 9-ft Bb.In the 20th century, however, "BBb bass" has meant a large bore 18-ft Bb
contrabass as opposed to a narrow bore "Bb bass" for boys' bands or
playing on the march.Arnold Myers
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Edinburgh University Collection of Historic Musical Instruments,
Reid Concert Hall, Bristo Square, EDINBURGH EH8 9AG, U.K.
E-mail: A.Myers@ed.ac.uk
Web URL: http://www.music.ed.ac.uk/euchmi/
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---------------------------------------------------------From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:29:40 EDT
Subject: Re: EEb Tuba
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 9/27/99 12:52:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
jeanvaljean@ntsource.com writes:> So, the EEb tuba is the bombardon??
> > I'm confused.
>
> Technically the EEb Tuba, is really just an Eb Tuba. When the double letter
> was added, is a mystery.
>
> Tom
The EEb Tuba is a subcontrabass tuba which can be heard on the recordings of
the Hoffnung Festivals. I believe the only (?) one is in the collection of
Boosey & Hawkes. Anyone near London? Care to check this out?
Heliconman@aol.com
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From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re:
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
>
>I'd just like to say to that guy who has an extreme addiction to trombones, too
>play somthing else
>Please, I mean come on now trombones? :(
>
>pick a real bass instument like tuba or string basss, or even SAX!!!!!I'll just point out here that the list is not rigidly confined to
"contrabass" instruments, but includes bass instruments and rare
instruments. Trombone is certainly capable of the bass range, at
least as well as most bass clarinets, and better than any bass flute
or recorder. Considering that we sometimes discuss horns like the
Conn-O-Sax or F mezzosoprano sax (pitched higher than the alto sax),
it would be silly to exclude trombones.Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 11:07:10 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: Heckelphones
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Stu...
>
>Yeah, I do see where you're coming from. But the
>Heckelphone is not "rare." If rare is defined by "few
>people own one" then yes, it is rare. But it is still
>mass-produced by Heckel, and if somebody makes
>something, and you have the money to buy it, then that
>thing is not rare.Well, let's say that they are still in current production. Heckel
has made something like 120 Heckelphones, total, since 1904. They
are made only to order: can't say that really qualifies as "mass
production".... Sounds rare to me :-)Grant
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Grant Green gdgreen@contrabass.com
http://www.contrabass.com
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Adam Kent-Isaac <lokibassoon@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Everything
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com
>From Adam
The most notable cylindrical brass instrument is the
English baritone, which has been used in British bands
and can be heard on many of the late-sixties Beatles
recordings during their "Brass Band Phase." Sovreign
(by Boosey and Hawkes) makes onw, it is sold
relatively well-priced in WWandBW.
As to all the different names for organ stops; well,
keep in mind that back in those days…let's just face
it, people weren't as smart as we are today. They
didn't really care what something was called. The
technique of "just name it something that sounds good"
has been carried over to today's cheaper electric
keyboards, whith settings like "Electric Guitar" that
sound like a harpsichord, or "Cello" which sounds like
a tenor sax, etc.
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