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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 20:03:56 -0400 (EDT)
Today's Topics:
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 11:29:34 -0700
From: Trent
Ruane <trentr@cnet.com> (by way of Grant Green
<gdgreen@contrabass.com>)
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Digest
>At 01:26 PM 4/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hi Grant,
>>I've been away for a bit (since before the list went to digest form). I've
>>noticed that the digests appear in my attachments folder (using Eudora on a
>>Mac), as new maiboxes, so that when I open one, it will create a new table
>>of contents file in my attachments folder as well. This gets to be a bit
>>messy, and I was wondering if I can go back to getting the list "like the
>>good ole days". If not, maybe you know of a fix for my dilemmna?>A number of people have mentioned that they now receive the digest as a
>mailbox full of attachments. I get the digest via Eudora Light, and
>cc:Mail, and both of those deliver the digest pretty much "normally." I
>haven't been able to find online instructions for turning off the "deliver
>as mailbox" feature for either the list software or for Eudora, so I'm
>downloading the Eudora Pro demo: hopefully it will at least have a help file!>In terms of relief, Scott is busily setting up a new server for
>Contrabass.com, with new software. We're moving from a unix box (which
>neither Scott nor I understand very well) to a Windows NT server. The
>software is supposed to be much easier to configure. We're going to try
>it out thoroughly before we switch the list over, but with any luck we'll
>be back to "normal" (or what passes for normal around here) within the next
>month.>Grant
Ah, I've found it! I thought I'd pass this info along in hopes that others may benefit from it. I'm using Eudora Pro 3.0 on a Mac, don't know if other versions have this setting as well, but here it is:
In the settings menu under attachments, there is a check-box option for "Receive MIME digests as attachments". I just de-selected it, and now all's well!
-Trent
Trent Ruane
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:28:21 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:34:55 EST
From:
"Daryl Fletcher"
<daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us>
To: Francis
Firth <Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk>,
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Contrabass
trumpet
On 2 May 97 at 14:31, contrabass-list-request@contr said:
> Grant,
> If it's you who has the trumpet the major issue seems to be that of
> tone. Daryl sent me a tape of himself playing his contrabass trumpet
> and it sounds rather Euphonium-like which is hardly suprising given
> Daryl's tuba playing background. If you listen to Carl's soundclip
> from his web page it sounds more trumpet-like. Clearly a matter of
> tonal conception although, of course, Carl has not only been playing
> these instruments but making them much longer than Daryl. This is
> not a question of musicality but of what you want the instrument to
> sound like. I am sure that I have read somewhere (Summit Records' CD
> of Bass Trumpet excerpts) saying that you should try to make sure
> that a bass trumpet sounds trumpetlike and not like a trombone. What
> do you think, Daryl (BTW I remain v. grateful for your tape)?> Francis Francis.Firth@uce.ac.uk
I'm glad you brought this up, Francis.
I think this has to do with a lot of different things. One is the mouthpiece. When I made the tape for you, I was using a Chuck Daellenbach model Canadian Brass tuba mouthpiece. It's a copy of a 1930's Conn Helleberg type, which has a really deep cup. It works great on my CC tuba, but seemed to be a bit much for an instrument as small a contrabass trumpet. I later got a Yamaha 66B which has the same size rim, but is shallower (designed for F tuba), and it makes the tone a bit more focused and trumpet-like.
I have also noticed from brochures that mouthpieces designed for bass trumpet tend to be shallower than most trombone mouthpieces.
I think you're right about the tonal concept thing too. I have lots of really good tuba CDs, but I can't find any contrabass trumpet recordings. Roger Bobo was supposed to have recorded something with his a while back, but I can't find any information about it. The Summit Bass Trumpet CD you mentioned is probably the closest thing out there, and I have thought about getting it for that reason. I might look for that Kelly Brand CD with bass trumpet that Grant mentioned too.
What would really be great is if we could talk Carl into doing a solo CD.
With the new mouthpiece and a few months of practice time, the sound is definitely more trumpet-like than earlier. It's probably about time I started recording another tape.
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Daryl Fletcher
mailto:daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us
http://www.walker.public.lib.ga.us/~daryl/
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:37:44 EST
From:
"Daryl Fletcher"
<daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us>
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: CD Review
On 1 May 97 at 17:33, Grant said:
> Makes me wonder why the bass trumpet hasn't replaced the
> tenor trombone everywhere else. ;-)
It's a real mystery to me why lower pitched trumpets, such as alto, bass, or contrabass, aren't more common.
For that matter, I also wonder why sarrusophones aren't more common.
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Daryl Fletcher
mailto:daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us
http://www.walker.public.lib.ga.us/~daryl/
Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
From:
WilPryde@aol.com
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Thanx!
O.K. thanks I am still wondering if anyone could send me some pictures of
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:36:31 -0700
From: Grant
Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
To: Trent Ruane
<trentr@cnet.com>
Cc:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Digest
At 08:57 AM 5/2/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>At 01:26 PM 4/29/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Hi Grant,
****
>Ah, I've found it! I thought I'd pass this info along in hopes that others
>may benefit from it. I'm using Eudora Pro 3.0 on a Mac, don't know if other
>versions have this setting as well, but here it is:>In the settings menu under attachments, there is a check-box option for
>"Receive MIME digests as attachments". I just de-selected it, and now all's
>well!>-Trent
I'm glad there's a rational explanation! Strangely, the Win95 version of Eudora Pro 3.0 doesn't have the "MIME digest as attachment" feature. Fortunately! ;-)
Grant
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:57:13 -0700
From: Grant
Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Bass Trumpets
At 02:31 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Grant,
>If it's you who has the trumpet the major issue seems to be that of tone.
Nope. Tone comes later. Pitch comes first!
For me, tone is a matter of practicing a lot while listening to the result. I think my embouchure adjusts subconsciously. Certainly seems to with flute in particular: I'll start playing after a hiatus, and can hear my tone go from fuzzy to clear to sweet, without making any conscious adjustment. Anyone else experience this?
>I am sure that I have read somewhere (Summit Records' CD of Bass Trumpet
>excerpts) saying that you should try to make sure that a bass trumpet sounds
>trumpetlike and not like a trombone.
Well, the valves make an obvious difference. I think the difference in sound may be due to that (and perhaps the attack) as much as anything. I looked up bore sizes in the Brasswind catalog. The Getzen bass trumpet has a 0.500" bore, while the Bach bore is 0.480". Tenor trombones seem to range from about 0.500" to 0.547", with one at 0.484 (the Holton valve/slide "MF Superbone"). The valve trombones range from 0.488" to 0.500". Bass bones range from 0.560" to 0.563". Clearly, the bass trumpet and tenor trombone (especially valve trombone) overlap in bore diameter.
Do the mouthpieces differ?
Grant
BTW, the Brasswind catalog lists several trombones with "dual bores". Can one of our trombone subscribers enlighten me as to what that means, and why one would want it? Thanks, GDG
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:58:58 +0000
From: Marion
Garver <mgrf@pacificnet.net>
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re:
contrabass-list Digest V97 #34
Hi
To add to the Francis Firth message about really low flutes, Matthias Ziegler of Zurich and formerly of the Andreas Vollenweider group has a cd with octobass in C and I think G or F called 'Marysas' Song'.
Also, my concert has been rescheduled to Sunday, August 17, sometime in the afternoon. There's a big outdoor concert featuring Ian Anderson (yeah the Jethro Tull flutist), Steve Kujala and Free Flight on Friday and we were afraid we couldn't get any one to come. I'll keep you posted on when exactly it is. The National Flute convention will be held at the Chicago Hilton and Towers from August 14 to 17, 1997 in Chicago, of course!!!
The two bass flute pieces I'm playing are: Charles Morogiello's 'Muuhg Wedging Between' for solo quarter tone bass and the premiere of Mike Mower's 'A Night in Greenwich', which I commissioned.
I have Pierre-Yves Artaud's address if anyone wants it.....
Thanks,
Marion Garver
