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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:19:50 -0400 (EDT)
Today's Topics:
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:07:26 -0700
From: Bob
Bailey <bbailey@nwol.net> (by way of Grant Green
<gdgreen@contrabass.com>)
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Oops!
I forgot: I sent the message with the subject of super-low, resonant tones, and my name is Gregg Bailey. Our e-mail address is bbailey@nwol.net
Just a couple of more comments: I like keyboards(synthesizers), and I notice that most keyboards, although now of excellent quality in sampled tones, neglect all but the common traditional low instrument sounds. Have you noticed?
Also, the major thing I don't like about brass instruments is that they are inefficient, as far as making use of their last half of tubing--they just don't use their lowest octave(I'm sure you know that)!
I know that the Leblanc contra alto clarinet that is doubled over has a range down to concert Eb, and that the Leblanc contrabass clarinet that is the shape of a bass clarinet only has a range down to concert Db--only 2 notes more! It seems like a waste compared to the mentioned contra alto. The contrabass clarinet I play is the one I have just mentioned.
I didn't find your e-mail address in an obvious place--where should I have gone on the internet? I only found out about you by typing in "contrabass clarinet music" on infoseek.
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:07:24 -0700
From: Grant
Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
To: Bob Bailey
<bbailey@nwol.net>
Cc:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: Oops!
At 04:42 PM 4/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I forgot: I sent the message with the subject of super-low, resonant
>tones, and my name is Gregg Bailey. Our e-mail address is
>bbailey@nwol.net>Just a couple of more comments: I like keyboards(synthesizers), and I
>notice that most keyboards, although now of excellent quality in sampled
>tones, neglect all but the common traditional low instrument sounds.
>Have you noticed?
I think the mfgrs expect that their synths are typically played in groups where the bass register is already covered. That or they just aren't very imaginative...
>Also, the major thing I don't like about brass instruments is that they
>are inefficient, as far as making use of their last half of tubing--they
>just don't use their lowest octave(I'm sure you know that)!
Well, hard to fight the laws of phyics. There are ways to use that lowest octave e.g., pedal tones, or by constucting keyed instruments like the ophicleide. Some would say that's not reason enough...
>I know that the Leblanc contra alto clarinet that is doubled over has a
>range down to concert Eb, and that the Leblanc contrabass clarinet that
>is the shape of a bass clarinet only has a range down to concert Db--
>only 2 notes more! It seems like a waste compared to the mentioned
>contra alto. The contrabass clarinet I play is the one I have just
>mentioned.
Yep. That's why everyone should play a looped Bb contra, with range to lowest Bb. ;-)
>I didn't find your e-mail address in an obvious place--where should I
>have gone on the internet? I only found out about you by typing in
>"contrabass clarinet music" on infoseek.
I think that's probably the way most people find me. There are links to my pages scattered here and there throughout the web, which is fine with me. Basically, if you're interested enough to search, you'll find me. If one is just browsing for addresses to spam, mine probably doesn't pop up.
Grant
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:09:54 EST
From:
"Daryl Fletcher"
<daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us>
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: super-low,
resonant tones!
Bob Bailey <bbailey@nwol.net> said:
> I want to design an extremely powerful pipe organ for it with a 64'
> tone(an octave below the lowest concert C of the true sub
> contrabass clarinet, with a frequency of a little more than 8
> Herz/sec.!!).
Just curious, but can people actually perceive sounds as low as 8 Hz? I thought that 20 Hz was pretty much the limit.
> My dad doesn't like anything lower than a 16' tone, and tells me
> that I should be "practical" about low notes. He says that he
> likes bass more than the average person but that he has heard
> enough organ music to "know" that an organ doesn't need anything
> below a 16' tone!! I get frustrated.
I've never heard of anyone who dislikes bass; it's such an important element in so many kinds of music. If sounds in the single digits can be heard, I can't imagine anybody being upset because of it. If anything, "average" people would probably find those sounds soothing.
Just my opinion...
Daryl Fletcher
mailto:daryl@www.walker.public.lib.ga.us
http://www.walker.public.lib.ga.us/~daryl/
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:07:16 -0700
From: Grant
Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
To: Bob Bailey
<bbailey@nwol.net>
Cc:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: Re: super-low,
resonant tones!
At 04:19 PM 4/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I couldn't figure out what your name is; I assume this is your
Yep. You can call me Grant.
>address. I am very glad to have found someone on the internet who
>shares my "maniacle obsession" of extremely low tones. I also prefer
>the absolute lowest woodwinds. I found a cd with contrabass flute on a
>Muze system of cd's and just yesterday I was wondering if a sub
>contrabass flute had been made. I was glad to find on your site that
Yes, there are actually a number of subcontrabass flutes floating around Kotato makes a "double contrabass" flute, with the range of a contrabassoon. Michael Heuppel plays a double contralto in GG (a fifth below the contrabass flute, I think). I'd be interested to hear more about the Muze CD you found. Title, catalog #?
>to design a huge music hall when I grow up--I'm only 15-- ; I want to
>design an extremely powerful pipe organ for it with a 64' tone(an octave
>below the lowest concert C of the true sub contrabass clarinet, with a
>frequency of a little more than 8 Herz/sec.!!). My dad doesn't like
I think the Guiness book of World Records lists a 64' organ pipe somewhere (probably under "lowest musical note"). There are other organs that produce a 64' pitch by using difference tones (two pipes tuned slightly apart, so that the difference between their pitches is the same as the 64' pitch: you hear the difference tone). I know there's at least one other organist on the list. I'll forward your post to the list, and perhaps he'll chime in.
>The limit of an average contrabass clarinet is a 16' tone and isn't
>very distinguishable by itself, yet the same frequency on an organ is
>perfectly distinguishable by itself--I don't understand why this is so.
The more you play one, the easier it is to distinguish the pitches. Perhaps its just ear training?
Grant
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:22:10, -0500
From:
KUUP84A@prodigy.com (MR MARK A TRINKO)
To:
contrabass-list@contrabass.com
Subject: LeBlanc letter
What ever happened to the Francis Firth letter to LeBlanc that we all wrote? Any reply?
End of contrabass-list Digest V97 Issue #26