Subject: Re:[CB] extreme tuba?
From: go_oaw
Clearly 7 valve, probably basically in F, The left hand 4th valve may be reversed so that the horn plays in CC or BBb with the right hand valves switching to F when the LH 4'th valve is depressed?? The right hand valve look like CC or BBb normal while the left hand first 3 look like F or Eb normal. The left hand 4 valve is very long to switch between
F (Eb) and CC (BBb). With 7 valves you certainly have fingering options.
Oscar
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:33:32 +0200
Subject: Re: [CB] extreme tuba?
From: "Klaus Bjerre"
>From: Jim Quist
> The words "rare tuba" are common enough; this seller says his tuba is
> 'extremely rare':
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=860629163
>
> Will someone here write a few words about this thing?
This instrument, of course, has been up for discussion on Sean Chisham's TubeNet billboard.
<http://www.chisham.com/messages/92745.html >
One poster kindly provided a link to a catalogue page, probably graphically edited from the original, presenting this model. At least giving a name to it:
<http://www.chisham.com/messages/92764.html >
I have an often confessed interest in brass instruments' history, collecting brasses myself. So with my interest in diverse ways to overcome the range and intonation problems in the low register of brasses, I could not avoid entering the discussion.
As usual ending in a dispute with Rick Denney, with whom I share one major interest: ownership of a York Master 4 piston front action BBb tuba. The only two of these documented on the net. Joe Sellmansberger of Mid-South Music, Memphis, Tennessee, also has one. But Joe is in the process of cutting his to CC.
As you will read from the Chisham discussion, I consider the Kruspe examplifying another way to route double instruments, whereas Rick D. sees it as a 7 valve F tuba. As usual Rick is formally right, whereas I, also as usual, modestly will have to represent the thruth of the mode of function.
Rick and I never talk to each others. Because we live on different continents. But aside from that we are on a quite friendly standing (he will receive a copy of this posting).
Rick has a site discussing tubas:
<http://www.rickdenney.com/ricks_tuba.htm >
If Grant can help me, I could upload a pic of my, very battered, previously US school owned, bellfront York Master to the file area of the sarrusophone yahoo list. Chuck Guzis, our revered list mate and the former owner of Rick's York Master, has some ideas about the bell front version of the YM being better in tune than the bell up version.
The accoustian wizzard among you might come up with a good opinion on that question.
A far-out-very-digressing posting. All on Jim's invitation.
Jim: you last name might suggest, that your family is rooted in my country. Would that be true?
Klaus
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:41:44 -0700
From: Grant Green
Subject: Re: [CB] extreme tuba?
At 01:33 AM 4/25/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>If Grant can help me, I could upload a pic of my, very battered, previously
>US school owned, bellfront York Master to the file area of the sarrusophone
>yahoo list. Chuck Guzis, our revered list mate and the former owner of
>Rick's York Master, has some ideas about the bell front version of the YM
>being better in tune than the bell up version.
If you like, just email it to me and I'll post it with the list digest
(i.e., on http://www.contrabass.com/2002/2002-04-25.html ).
Enjoy,
Grant
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:43:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [CB] extreme tuba?
From: Michael C Grogg
I think the less words about it the better.
Gawd awful amount of plumbing. So many options of what set of valves to use to play the note, you probably end up missing most of the notes trying to decide how to play it. Between the cranked bell, and all of the differences in ideal length of tubing for different notes, I should think it would be difficult to play in tune with itself, let alone a group without lots of practice.
Michael Grogg
Tuba, Bay Lyric Orchestra
Clearwater, Florida
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:32:53 -0500 Jim Quist writes:
> The words "rare tuba" are common enough; this seller says his tuba
> is 'extremely rare':
They didn't make the same mistake twice?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=860629163
>
> Will someone here write a few words about this thing?
>
> Jim
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