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From: lawrencejohns@webtv.net (lawrence johns)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:19:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: bell up or bell down?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comSome instruments have the bell up, and some have the bell down such as
the contrabassoon.It would appear that an instrument with the bell up
would cause the sound to be louder and would project out more. Is this
correct thinking or not about the direction of the bell? Thanks
Larriman
baritone sax,bass sax
bass clarinet-Lawrence "Larry" E. Johns-
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From: Fmmck@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:38:18 EST
Subject: Re: bell up or bell down?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 2/14/00 8:20:10 PM, lawrencejohns@webtv.net writes:
<< It would appear that an instrument with the bell up
would cause the sound to be louder and would project out more. >>Larry-
If you are talking about a brass instrument, it is fairly clear that sound is
louder when the bell is pointed toward the audience. Given only the choice
of up or down, it would seem to me that there would be more things to absorb
sound in the down direction, so up would be better.In the case of woodwinds, there are usually other openings for sound to exit,
so it isn't so obvious that it would make a difference for other than the
lowest notes of a given register. I suspect that an experiment would show
that it does make a slight difference, and results would be similar to the
case of brass instruments.For the "Paper Clip" Contra Bass Clarinet and the Contra Bassoon, aren't the
bells pointed forward rather than up or down?Another thought: many times the band director will remind the trumpets to
point their bells up. He doesn't mean up literally, but forward towards the
audience. It seems that some trumpet players tend to point their horns into
the music or down at about a 45 degree angle.Fred McKenzie
MMB
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From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Re: bell up or bell down?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI was under the impression that when the cycles dip downward in the contra
range that it spreads out and resbounds easily. That sometimes very low
notes are actually stroneger by pointing the mouth of a horn into a corner
to extend the resonance frequency. (?)
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:45:23 -0800 (PST)
From: LynnEttte Mueller <bluwinterfox@yahoo.com>
Subject: Contra-alto carrying help
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comDoes anyone know if there is anyplace where I can purchase a gig bag for
my Leblanc straight contra-alto?Or what I could use to help pull the case. I don't want to do a lot of
modifying on the case, but if necessary I can. Whatever I do it has to be
able to go up and down stairs.Thanks in advance.
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---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:04:34 -0700
From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: Spam
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>So this is where we are getting our unwanted E-Mail from?
>
>I thought the contra-bass list was for people with a specific interest.
>
>Note: I am not the low-blower in the family. I don't usually even see
>the contra-bass posts. But this one slipped the filters and came to one
>of my boxes instead of the family tuba enthusiast.
>
>And if we reply "delete" does that mean he'll not be able to discuss the
lowdown in music anymore?Rest assured that I do not send *&@#@ spam to my own list. Some
spammer has figured out how to circumvent our MLM software, and
insert spam spoofing as my address. If my ISP can't figure out a
better filter, I may switch the list to "moderated", under which I
personally clear each post before it goes to the list.The best thing to do with any spam that *does* make it onto the list
is to completely ignore it. Spammers believe either (a) that 0.01%
of the recipients will actually buy into their scam, so by sending
their crap to a billion people they'll actually catch a few fools, or
(b) that it is fun, because they're sick losers. If you try replying
to spam, you'll find that the return address is either fictitious or
belongs to someone else. And I'd appreciate it if spam wasn't quoted
back to the list. I delete it out of the digests, before the digest
goes out if possible, but we have better things to discuss.Thanks,
Grant
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From: Grant Green <gdgreen@contrabass.com>
Subject: Re: Contra-alto carrying help
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>Does anyone know if there is anyplace where I can purchase a gig bag for
>my Leblanc straight contra-alto?
>
>Or what I could use to help pull the case. I don't want to do a lot of
>modifying on the case, but if necessary I can. Whatever I do it has to be
>able to go up and down stairs.I've had gig bags made by Altieri Bags for a number of instruments, including sarrusophones, reed contrabass, and contrabass clarinets. There's a picture of a *double* contrabass/contralto gig bag on the cbcl page. Alternatively, you can
have a case cover made to fit your case. The Altieri covers typically include a shoulder strap and backpack-type straps, so you can carry it either way.Best of luck!
Grant
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---------------------------------------------------------From: ArcLucifer@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:38:03 EST
Subject: Re: bell up or bell down?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.com>>It seems that some trumpet players tend to point their horns into
the music or down at about a 45 degree angle.
I wouldn't say that, most of the trumpeters in my orchestra are only too keen
to stand up bells 90 degrease just to belt out a fanfare half way through a
piece of music.---------------------------------------------------------
From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:09:42 EST
Subject: Helicon cases??????
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 02/15/2000 2:11:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
gdgreen@contrabass.com writes:<< I've had gig bags made by Altieri Bags (http://www.altieribags.com)
for a number of instruments, including sarrusophones, reed
contrabass, and contrabass clarinets. There's a picture of a
*double* contrabass/contralto gig bag on the cbcl page
(http://www.contrabass.com/pages/cbcl.html). >>A buddy of mine has a helicon identical to my own and recently we've been
discussing building our own lightweight but strong cases. Nobody seems to
make ANY KIND of case for a helicon. The bell is not removable, so sousaphone
cases are out and neither one of us think it would be very good for the great
big sound to modify our old 1890s Conns. So far, we seem to agree on making
cases out of wet foam blown into a custom cardboard case which would be
removed after the foam hardens and replaced by a lacquer/epoxy coated papier
mache or fiberglass shell OR perhaps wrapping the horn in lots of bubble wrap
to the desired thickness of the foam, making the shell around the bubble
wrap, remove the bubble wrap and fill the shell with wet foam, pressing the
Saran Wrapped horn into the still-wet foam to the desired depth. Several
details left out here, but you get the idea!
But, it would be much nicer if someone actually already MAKES a helicon
case! Apparently the only company that still makes helicons (Czerveny I
think) doesn't even offer a case! Any hot tips here?
Thanks!
Heliconman@aol.com
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:20:21 -0800
From: "Chuck Guzis" <tubastuff@sydex.com>
Subject: Re: Helicon cases??????
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn 2/15/00 Heliconman@aol.com wrote:
>A buddy of mine has a helicon identical to my own and recently we've been
>discussing building our own lightweight but strong cases. Nobody seems to
>make ANY KIND of case for a helicon.I wonder if it might be possible to take a sousie case and "graft" a bell section onto it?
Chuck Guzis
(owner of a nineteen-aught-something York BBb helicon)---------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:27:03 -0500
From: Topper <leo_g@carroll.com>
Subject: Helicons: what to bid?
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI was entertaining the posibility to bid on a bunch of helicons at a
regular country auction. The big tuba sized one was called a "tuba" but was
a helicon and was solid german silver but the vales were missing and the
crock waskinked,There were these alto-horns and one baritone which looked helicons but were
small. The alto size had 6-pointed stars soldered to the bell. I wasn't
taking notes. But I thought it might be good to have a laptop and a digital
camera for the interested parties here.Cheers
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From: Heliconman@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:06:24 EST
Subject: Re: Helicon cases??????
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comIn a message dated 02/15/2000 3:21:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tubastuff@sydex.com writes:<< I wonder if it might be possible to take a sousie case and "graft" a bell section onto it? >>
Most of those are cloth covered plywood aren't they? They get pretty heavy.
I took a sousaphone in a case from Boston to New Orleans by Amtrack and
decided to ride it on a skateboard attached with a ratchet strap. To avoid an
extra charge for packages over 50 lbs I carried the skateboard and the
mouthpiece so it was just under 50 lbs. I'm not THAT good with bent plywood
which is heavier than I'd like anyway. I was thinking about an aluminum
shell, but I've never done any metalwork.
---------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:17:43 -0800
From: "Chuck Guzis" <tubastuff@sydex.com>
Subject: Re: Helicon cases??????
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comOn 2/15/00 Heliconman@aol.com asked:
><< I wonder if it might be possible to take a sousie case and "graft" a bell section onto it? >>
> Most of those are cloth covered plywood aren't they?One of the most economical is the SKB for about $200 and is made of HDPE. I was thinking that this would reduce the job to making a resin+fiberglass bell section that could be attached (pop rivets or whatever) to the existing case.
Cheers,
Chuck
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From: "Leanne Enck" <kontragirl@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Contra-alto carrying help
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:49:16 MST
Reply-To: contrabass@contrabass.comI laughed when I read about a gig bag for your contra. You don't really
have very many ways to avoid it, you have to build up the muscle strength,
but, if you are lazier than that (like one of my bari sax friends) you'll
find a dolly will work just fine. I take one whenever I'm playing at places
other than my school.Leanne, the contralto clarinetist.
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